DEBATES

Historic Premillennialism
vs.

Amillennialism
Dispensationalism
Preterism

Answers RE:
the Rapture

Introduction

Answers from Jesus:
The Wheat & The Tares
The Olivet Discourse
The Upper Room Discourse

Answers from Peter:
Peter's First Sermon
Peter's Second Sermon
Peter's Epistles

Answers from Paul:
1 Cor. 15 & the Last Trumpet
1 Thess. 4 & the Rapture
1 Thess. 5 & Day of the Lord
2 Thess. 1 & Posttrib Rest
2 Thess. 2 Antichrist First
Titus 2:13 The Blessed Hope

Answers from John:
The Rapture in Revelation
Resurrection in Revelation

Misc. Answers:
Rapture Terminology

Answers from the Early Church:
Early Church Eschatology

Answers for
Pretribulationists

Pretribulationist Revisionism
Origin of Pretribulationism
Double Talk
Imminence
Not Appointed to Wrath
Jewish Wedding Customs
24 Elders & the Rapture

Answers for
Amillennialists

The Corruption of Eschatology
Kingdom Hope in Hebrews
Revelation 20
New Jerusalem

Answers from
Genesis

The "Sons of God" in Gen. 6
360 Day Pre-Flood Calendar
The Eschatology of Creation
Chronology of the Whole Bible
Bible Chronology Chart

Debates: Premillennialism vs. Amillennialism

Debate Proposition:

Tim Warner affirms Tim Warner is a pastor - teacher of Oasis Christian Church, Tampa, Florida, and founder of The Pristine Faith Restoration Society.

Norm Fields denies Norm Fields is the minister of Bawcomville church of Christ, West Monroe, Louisiana, and host of an internet blog and webcast program, Bible Q-n-A.

Round I: The Abrahamic Covenant
Opening Argument - Tim Warner
Rebuttal - Norm Fields
Response - Tim Warner
Closing Statement - Norm Fields

Round II: The One Hope of the Christian's Calling
Opening Argument - Norm Fields
Rebuttal - Tim Warner
Response - Norm Fields
Closing Statement - Tim Warner

Norm Fields has withdrawn from the debate.

Related Material
The Kingdom Hope in Hebrews
The Corruption of Apostolic Eschatology
The Millennium in Revelation 20
The New Jerusalem is Jerusalem Restored (pdf) | Audio 1 | Audio 2

In the following quote, Norm Fields took amillennialism to its logical conclusion, denying that Jesus still possesses His body of flesh:

"The reason Jesus was raised in that same flesh was not to show us what our resurrection body would be like. John says we do not yet see what we will be like (1 John 3:2). Rather, it was because his earthly ministry was not yet completed. His change from a physical body to a spiritual body occurred when he was taken up in the clouds, same as ours. We will not be raised to reside on this earth again. We will be raised to the clouds to ever be with the Lord." (Round II Response, pg. 7)

Amillennialism's false doctrine of denying the resurrection of the flesh necessarily forced Norm Fields to deny the permanence of Jesus' incarnation. Yet, John said that this teaching was of "the spirit of Antichrist."

1 John 4:1-3 NKJV
1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
2 By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.

The Greek word rendered "has come" is a perfect participle. The Greek perfect tense indicates a past completed action with results that continue to the present. To get the full sense of the perfect tense, this verse would be translated as follows: "Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come, and remains in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come and remains in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world." The biblical test for the spirit of antichrist is its denial of the incarnation of Jesus Christ in human flesh, and / or the continuous, permanent, state of His existence in human flesh. That "the Word became flesh," and that He continues permanently in that state, is the essential "doctrine of Christ." Anything else is not "Christian," but a slick counterfeit.

Jesus said to John, "I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore" (Revelation 1:18). Jesus was "dead" physically. His body died. Therefore, His being "alive" refers to the resurrection of His flesh body exclusively. And this state is permanent according to Jesus Himself. Consistent amillennialism (or any other eschatology that denies Jesus' permanent state in human flesh) denies "the doctrine of Christ." It is not genuine "Christianity."